THESE PANTS SUCK. If you are expecting to get the same North Face Paramount Convertible that you may have purchased a couple of years ago, run away. I have several pairs of North Face Paramount, these aren't those. North Face has made changes to the fabric, cut, fit and styling and none of them good. I travel, fish, hike and fly, the original Paramount Convertible has been my favorite for many years - these just aren't up to the quality of the previous version. If you like mediocrity at a high price then this pant is for you. Anyone that thinks that these are great pants needs to shop around. North Face shot themselves in the foot with this one.