You want to go big with this ski, 189 for sure.

Yes, the Hellbents are very soft...maybe too soft. I am 190lbs and have the 189s....at big speeds the tips really bend up.

Fun ski...but wonder if something stiffer might work better for me.

I am 190lbs and 6'3....could I get away with the 177s? I just feel the 185s are too much in ice moguls and tight trees.

I am 190lbs and 6'3....could I get away with the 177s? I just feel the 185s are too much in ice moguls and tight trees.

NO question the 189. I am 6'4 and 190lbs. I bought the 179, and found them too short....I almost went over the handlebars a few times with them.

I bought the 189s this year, and is so easy to turn, and amazing in anything above six inches of fresh.

NO question the 189. I am 6'4 and 190lbs. I bought the 179, and found them too short....I almost went over the handlebars a few times with them.

I bought the 189s this year, and is so easy to turn, and amazing in anything above six inches of fresh.

I hear marker messed up the instructions for these, and my shop mounted them 1.5cm to far forward as well. I am going to get them remounted.

The only thing is if you are a big guy, you may find setting them too far forward causes tip sinkage. No one skiis backwards 50% of the time...lol.

I can get mine into the my 180cm dakine roller....lol.

I can get mine into the my 180cm dakine roller....lol.

If you plan to ski them in powder, and mostly going straight....mount them +2 or so. Core center really does not work so hot in powder.

actually that might not be true, gortex can often keep you wet because it does not realy work as advertised. Gortex simplly does not breath, it is a neat concept,,,,but rarely works in practice. Short of a down poor, softshells should keep you pretty dry if you are active.

if you are a cop standing in the rain, get gortex.

read above, they seem to say core center means less float when ridding normal.

read above, they seem to say core center means less float when ridding normal.

read above, they seem to say core center means less float when ridding normal.

read above, they seem to say core center means less float when ridding normal.

How about on ice? Will they hold at all?

I just ordered the 189, thinking of putting the schizos on them this time so I can play around with the postion.

If they are a tad too long for me, would setting them closer to core make them easier to ski?

I own a pair, and even outwest really only use these when there is a foot or more of pow. otherwise i use my seth pistols.

Um, no. You will be really unhappy skiing these in anything but packed pow or powder.

They don't hold an edge on anything remotely icy...and even chopped pow they are suirly.

I would say get the extremes or kung funjas.

So is the 179 for me completely wrong? and I should upgrade to the 189?

They felt like they had a mind of their own in chopped up snow, and they seem to get knocked off track a lot.

Also wonder if the longer ski would let me go faster on the groomers. You had to ski them very in control and slow.