The Mad Rock Flash is a decent shoe but wears out quickly. Climbing at the gym is painful on these shoes, the toe starts to rip and the sole as well. The upside of the shoe is that they are pretty cheap and you can use them in the winter in the gym until you get out on some real rock, then it's time to bring in the performance shoe. I like being able to use different shoes for different things and with the Mad Rocks I can climb in the gym and not be worried that I am ruining some expensive climbing shoe. All in all I think the shoe is ok but really good for beginner climbers.