I'll be completely honest: I bought this jacket only because I thought it looked cool. While thats true, thats where the pros of this jacket end. Wait, its good only to wear indoors. Step outside though and the jacket is of no value. Honestly. If the wind blows, its useless. If it rains, you're in trouble. If its very cold out, you'll be cold. Doesn't do anything. Anyways, I was able to sell my barely used Denali online to some sucker and used that money to buy the Apex Thermal. Best choice ever. Windproof, waterproof (even though its not advertised as waterproof) looks even nicer than the Denali. The bionic material stays clean, stays nice, and is maintenance free. With the denali, I was always worried about keeping it clean and free of potential hazards. Not with the Apex Thermal. Warmer, nicer, and better in every way, shape, and form.