Yes.

rocker + camber + varigrip + 3 year warranty + toughest sidewall construction in the market + better graphics = Never Summer.

If your board has the standard 3D inset pattern that Burton used for the last decade or so, you should be OK this binding is compatible with 4 hold and 3 hole patterns.

If your board uses the ICS channel system instead of the 3D insets, you're totally screwed, because you can only use Burton EST bindings on these boards.

a 164 you could probably handle it especially in powpow. Look for this year's Capita Party Shark - basically it is the same board but with way better graphics: a party shark on topsheet and the base says "Fuck yeah bro!" Same sizes available 58 or 64.

No problem. I got the 165 bag it fits a 163 wide snowboard and size 11 boots.

WOrks pretty well keeping me warm on many nights just out doing yard work or walking the dog, well below 40 degrees as long as you have a base layer underneath.

They made a wide version of the BSOD last season but I don't think they're making one this season. The waist on the 162 is ~259mm which would probably be OK depending on your stance angles.

55 seems awfully short for someone 190lbs even if you're only using it for park. I'm 205-210 and ride last year's 161w it works great all-around in the park, groomers, pow.

you could definitely go with the 158 at your height/weight.

Go with the 159W. Sure the 56 will handle your weight it's only about 1" difference in size, but the 59 will probably be better suited and will be able to go a little faster.

I'm about your size (a bit heavier) and usually ride between 160w and 164w.

The 09/10 Hero was 8x2 inserts so you won't need to get the retro-discs to mount these binders on the board.

If you mean you have a 10/11 hero, you'll need to get the retro discs which run about $20 because this year's hero runs the infinite channel system (ICS).

All boots are going to pack out a bit. But you should try them on to find out whether they fit you nicely.

No, EST bindings are only compatible with Burton ICS snowboards.

My heli pro pack came with a hydration pack (made by Dakine) but I've heard that the newer bags (I bought mine 4 years ago) don't come with the pack anymore. I bought a brand new Poacher (larger bag) this season, and it didn't come with one.

This board should be fine for you - softer flex will make it really easy for you to progress your riding!

EST bindings will *ONLY* work with the ICS boards by Burton. There might be one or two Forum decks that run the channel system that would also work.

I wear 11s in a Large Cartel, and really had to play with the straps to get them to fit. Just FYI.

WHICH o-matic, and what style of riding?

People, does it hurt to provide the very basic information required to answer your questions?

Jeebus people... if you have wide feet and you know it, get to a store and TRY ON THE BOOTS for god's sake. You're asking for trouble if you buy a pair of boots without ever trying them on.

Or, just buy them and if they don't fit send them back. DF has a very liberal return/exchange policy.

My guess is that the fiberglass composite on the Cartel is lighter than whatever T9 puts in to the Nines. But whatever, it's not like the nines are going to outweigh the cartels by 3 pounds or something. Whatever difference in weight between the Cartels and the Nines is going to be negligible, and it is NOT going to affect your riding.

If you're still concerned, why don't you use the Chat feature here and ask one of the reps?

This is really more of a jib/park deck than an all-mountain deck. You should be pretty OK with not catching edges, but if you're more of an all-mountain rider it's probably not the best for ya.

No, this boot has regular laces.

size small or medium. You're right between the two sizes, would probably be best to take your boots with you and try them in both sizes to see which fits better. If you can't do that, I'd go with the medium, you should be able to tighten the straps just enough to fit most size 6 boots.

Agreed. sounds like you're doing mostly cruising groomers and charging a little pow. You'll definitely want a mid-stiff to stiff boot, it will be more responsive for your carves.

This board should do fine for an intermediate rider like you (My wife had been riding a 145 cruiser that we got for cheap on eBay last year). You should definitely notice that a women's specific board fits you better, and will be easier for you to learn and progress on.

price-point jib stick. should handle fine in the park.

Triads a little softer, smaller highback, but more expensive. Some people like them better than the cartels, but IMO the cartels are the best binders for the money.

Small/Medium. Large will be waaaaay too big.

I would get the pink. nothing says BAMF like rocking a pink snowboard. Now go get your hands on some 2009 Burton Cartels in the "That's Hot Pink" colorway and you'll be all set.

any size between 158 and 163 will probably work ok.

You do not ever need a "wide" board with a size 10.5 boot. Ever.

The retro disc is made for non-EST burton bindings. You might find that it won't fit your Contrabands. When in doubt, go to a shop!

You should be OK with a size 10 in large binders, but you're going to have the ladders on the last screw and probably have to ratchet them down all the way. You *might* want to try and fit them in some mediums, but by god, son, please take them to a shop where you can put the boot *in* the binding and see if it fits!

So many people have questions like yours, "I just bought such-and-such..."

5 or 6cm is a bigger difference than you might think. I normally ride 161/163 but this year i bought a 57 Burton x8 - it was just too small to be comfortable on. Ended up selling it after two days of riding.

women's 11/12? Might be pushing it... might want to find a men's M binding. When you're borderline like that, you really gotta take your boots in to a store and try out a few different pairs to see what fits

No, they don't have this size in stock right now.

You are going to find that a 159w is waaaaay to short if you're used to 165. I tried to downsize from 163 NS Legacy to 157 Burton X8 this year and just couldn't get comfortable on a board that short (FWIW, I'm about 215 lbs, size 11 boot).

You may have better luck than I did, but I just want to warn you that downsizing that much isn't as easy as it sounds.

The Lo-Back is compatible with all of Burton’s Men’s Disc Bindings

zero camber broseph, no v-rocker on the Hate.

for your weight, Ride recommends a 155 (maximum suggested weight = 165) or the 158 which accommodates riders up to 175 lbs. Either of these will be a tad wider than the 152. I don't think you should have a problem with a 9.5 boot, especially if you're not noticing it right now. How wide is the waist on your Agent?

5-8 year old board probably still has the standard 4x4 inserts. If that's the case, these bindings should work. Post a pic of the insert pattern, that would help determine for certain.

Yes, the regular (non-EST) Cartels will work with Burton ICS boards. I rode my '09 Cartels on an '09 burton X8 and they worked fine.

boot is too small for the bindings. All the newer 32 boots fit pretty true to size.

This board sounds good for you, but check out the Ride Machete, I think it comes in wide sizes 161, 164 - either of which will probably be right up your alley. It's getting a lot of great reviews this year and it won't break the bank, either.

wide model is going to be a little harder to steer but you'll get used to it. It will be faster than the regular width, too. Unless you have bigger than size 11s - or if you're heavier than average - you probably can use the regular width board.

waist on the 156 here is the same as my NS Legacy. I ride 0/0 stance and have practically no toe overhang. With 15/-15 you'll definitely be OK on the wide. If the regular width is only 1cm or so narrower, you could get away with that, too.

The Arbor Formula used to be made with Koa. Not sure if it still is.

Waist is 252mm. Measure it up against whatever deck you're riding right now. You'll probably be OK unless those Bodegas are enormous. My X8 had a waist of 25.5 or something, and it worked find with my 32 size 11s.

Hope you're kidding brah! Waist on this deck only 23cm no chance in hell with men's size 11.

ThirtyTwo makes GREAT snowboard boots. Not familiar with DC boots but the 32s (I've owned 2 pair) have fit very true to size. If your foot is falling asleep, sounds like you're over-tightening the internal lace/cord.

can you post a picture of your boots? I found some pictures of them online and they look like they might work.

the toe-cap will slip if the toe box on the boot is very rounded, if the toe box on the boot is more square-ish in shape, you shouldn't have a problem.

thanks. i just got the '09 and was curious whether this downsize is unique to the '10 or is it also on the '09

You want the 159cm, regular width, not the 159 wide.

twin-directional :)

http://hoonhwang.blogspot.com/2009/03/never-summer-sl-155-2010-in-haus.html

Women can use "men's" binding, but be aware that men's bindings often have a taller highback which sometimes leads to uncomfortable calf-bite.

Also be careful with the sizes: The only sizes left are for men's boot sizes 8-10 (M) and 10-12 (L) so unless you have a really big foot, like a women's size 10+ you probably can't use these, they'll be too big.

156 might be alright. 159 will be a little faster on groomers & might be more fun, it's only about 1" longer.

you can't go wrong with either of: Rome 390 or Union Force or Burton Triad

it's just the designation for kids' sizes, that's all.

with a size 13 the waist on this is awfully narrow. You'll probably be better off with the 156W.

Yes to all. If you get Burton bindings make sure they come with the 4-screw mounting plate. If they don't, they won't fit, but no worries because you can get them at most ski/snowboard shops for about $7/pair.

You *might* want to order 1/2 size up. I usually wear a 10.5/11 depending on brand, and I'm wearing 11s in my ThirtyTwo TM2 boots; they fit just right after having them heat molded. My last pair of 32s was the same way. Check out the reviews on the TM2 boot for some info about how they fit & breaking them in.

I'm riding Burton Cartels, i think similar enough binding technology. The newer 32s fit really well in the burton bindings. These boots have very similar (probably identical) toe shape. Here's a picture of mine locked into the bindings. they fit great.

lol my friend is still riding a Fat Bob that he picked up when he was living in Denver 6 years ago...

I've been riding a Legacy for a few years, they used to make it in "wide" and regular, but now they only make one Legacy-R designated as "mid-wide". I wear a smaller boot than you but I ride 0/0 stance. On either of these boards, the Titan or the Legacy-R you should be OK if you ride a more conventional stance (18/-15 etc.).

Actually the Legacy-R is slightly wider at the waist than the Titan TX. Might want to look into it, it's a pretty solid board all around.

here's full specs at Never Summer
http://neversummer.com/snow/legacy.html

and my review...

http://www.agnarchy.com/never-summer-legacy-snowboard-product-review/

reverse camber is going to handle better in powder because it's easier to keep the board from sinking, but this is really a jib stick. if you're going all-mountain, probably not the best board for ya.

medium only fits up to size 8 brosef.

150 might be too short if you're still growing. It'll be easier to control either way, but you can get a few more seasons out of the 154 probably.

I can't answer that for you since we all ride a little differently and have different preferences, but here's a few things to consider:

The Cartels are going to cost you about $70 less.
The highback on the Cartels is enoooormous - some people don't like this.
The Cartel is going to be quite a bit stiffer.

i did heat-molding for the first time on my new 32s this year. Huge difference in comfort, I was able to break them in during my first few runs, rather than first few days.

I hear good things about the Slayblade. Asking about the "Yes" snowboards, here's a review I came across the other day...

http://southofthenorth.blogspot.com/2009/12/yes-we-can-snowboard-review-buy-this.html

purchase the size he wears right now, you'll use the shims to adjust the size which the boot accommodates, removing them as his foot grows.

burton doesn't make any boards with "normal" binding inserts, do they?

You might be able to get compatible mounting disks at your local shop - call 'em up & ask if they have mounting plates that will fit whatever bindings you already own.

sometimes people refer to the snowboard size as "62" instead of "162".

A 162 is waaaaay too big for 145 lbs. I think a 155-156 would be better for his size but not too small that he'll grow out of it soon.

One other consideration, is that the Supermodel is more of a big mountain board, and your son is *probably* more interested in park riding since there is no big mountain, backcountry, off-piste to be found in your neck of the woods (I'm in Detroit, so slopes and conditions are very similar).

Check out the selection of "freestyle" snowboards; they'll be better-suited to his needs.

Never Summer Evo-R. Or lib tech skate banana. size 156ish for your weight.

156 or 159. you won't need the "wide" board with a 10.5 boot.

certain sizes are on clearance, lower price moves the inventory faster = supply/demand basic economics :)

thanks - I figured it was something like that but always nice to know what goes in to the design of these boards. Cheers.

most important thing is not foot size but your weight. If you're over 180 lbs you'll *need* a 159cm board at least, if you're over 200 lbs you'll need bigger than that.

ummm try calling burton.

Depends on your stance angle(s). It also depends somewhat on the boot. But since most size 11s are going to be similar (although older boots tend to be bigger in my experience) this is a lesser concern.

I wish everyone who had a "Will I get a lot of toe drag?" type question would include thes very relevant informations. So, edit your question, let me know what is your stance angle and also what type of boot you're rocking, and you'll get a better answer.

I wear an 11 boot on 26.5cm waist board, and there's practically zero overhang. But I also ride a 0/0 stance. So your mileage may vary.

Take them to your local store and have them heat-molded. I did this with my new 32s (which I think fit a little bit tighter than true) and it feels like they're broken in after 2-3 runs.

You should be able to get 3D compatible binding discs at your local shop if you can't find them online here.

oops... looks like they might only have one color in stock. The picture in your cart *should* represent the actual item you're going to get. If you're unsure, ask one of the reps on the Live Chat feature.

Depends on how much he weighs. The more he weights, the larger board he'll need. Also, at this age he's probably growing a lot, so it might not be a bad idea to get a larger board that he'll be able to grow into over the next 1-2 seasons.

your bindings don't match up because burton uses 3x mounting plates and eveyone else uses 4x mounting plates. You might be able to get a new set of burton-compatible mounting plates at your local shop if they don't sell them here.

Stay away from the burton EST boards, they're only compatible with Burton EST bindings. Other than that, these should fit most every board on the market.

The 159cm is all that's left, but this length should be OK for 220 lbs. I'm a few inches taller than that, about 210 and I ride a 163 for what that's worth.