These are nice gloves with very supple leather, stylish looks, etc. Within 2-3 hours my first pair developed a small hole in the stitching/seam where the thumb leather section meets the palm leather section - roughly where the lowest technogel pad is shown in the photo above. (Not that this is a different seam from the other reviewer...) My LBS was accomodating and let me try another pair, just in case I got a lemon. Within 2 hours on my next ride, an even larger hole developed - in the same seam, just lower down on the glove this time. I have used several gloves before these (LG, Castelli) and never had a seam separate like this. While they are very nice looking/feeling gloves, it is a total joke that they do not last a single ride. I will be exchanging these and will try something else. Avoid.