If you're trying to make up your mind... BUY THESE PANTS!!! I'm one of those who researches way too much so I was skeptical but I couldn't be happier. They look sick and they fit perfect. I'm 5'8" and normally wear a 36-30 pant and the Large fit me great. Although, I do use a belt and I like my gear baggy. I just did a trip to Park City, Utah and they had fresh powder. I spent some time doing backcountry boarding with powder up to my knees (and lots of time on my rear end) and by the end of the day I was as dry as can be. The extra button on the bottom is sweet so the pants don't drag in the parking lot. Get these pants, you won't regret it!