These shoes are o.k. I have worn them about 6 or 7 times so far and I have a few complaints. The sizing is off. I wear a 10.5 in most tennis shoes and I ordered a 10 in these. The tens are way too small. All of my toes are completely curled up in order for my feet to fit in. They hurt really bad so I only get 20-30 mins of good climbing in each time. Another thing is that the heel is no good. I am a big fan of heel hooks and just using the back of my foot for climbing in general, and these are no good for that. The heel is too rounded and slippery for any hooks. Finally, they are just simply too wide. I wear a normal width in regular shoes, and these fit like a wide shoe would. Overall, they are an o.k. shoe but not worth the big price tag.