This is my second pair of bibs from Castelli. I purchased the Velocissimo bibs in size large and they have been wonderfull (I'm 6' 190lb 36" waist 40" hips). I bought the Neros thinking they might be the same quality with a more simple short. The fit was small and odd. Labeled same size as the Velocissimos but they were too small in length through the suspenders as well as the legs. I tried to pass them off to a shorter friend before returning and he thought they were wide through the mid section. Maybe they are for short and heavy folks? I did notice upon double checking the size of my older pair that they were made in two different places, Morocco (Nero) El Salvador (Velocissimo).