Back in the box, nothing special about these, even on ChainLove. Nothing stands out on the positive side I would rather ride in board shorts. Too small, I sized up based off reviews and its stil not working for me. The vents are too small to be conceviablely usefull and I dont have anything small enough to fit in any of the pockets. I guess they are better than riding in cutoff jeans or a speedo. The material feels cool but the 2 hook and loop straps should be enough and i cant understand why you would need two hook and loop straps and an elastic waist band.... I give up these are in the box again.