I found a good deal on these and bought them without trying them. I had ridden the Volkl Mantras and Katana, the Line Prophet 100's, K2 Seth and Coomba... I feel the P4's blow all of these skis out of the water in terms of all round performance. They are a ton of fun in the powder, they hold a fantastic edge on groomers and pop you out of the crud, and are even somewhat maneuverable through the bumps. They started to chatter a bit when I hit some icy groomer pitch but if you dig into the hill a little bit harder than you normally would you will hold the edge (not to mention you will flat out rip!). A great ski for a great value.