I gotta say I was really bummed about returning these pants. Normally I don't care what clothing looks like as long as it functions the way I like, but I really can't pull off shiny checkered weird designs when I'm mostly eating it down the mountain. I also decided I wanted more waterproofing. Now for the pros...I got size M, I'm 5'10'' ish and I'd say average weight/build and the pants fit perfectly lengthwise, were a bit loose in the waist but you can always wear a belt. They were baggy enough in the legs which is awesome because I could actually get movement in them. My favorite thing is that they have a part on the bottom where you can open a flap to adjust your boa lacings, since I constantly need to tighten mine. So if you like the style, you're good to go.