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Patagonia R4 Fleece Jacket - Men's
February 15, 2010
It can take quite a lot of water before the rain gets in. Maybe drizzle for a few hours, or a 10 minute heavy rain storm. But if I thought it was going to rain I wouldn't take this jacket unless I was close to the trailhead. Instead I'd go for a non-windproof jacket (R2/R3) and carry a separate lightweight hard shell. If you're going to carry a hard shell anyway, there's no point in wearing two windproof layers - you'll sweat like a mofo and be carrying extra weight for no benefit.
IMO, this jacket is awesome (I have one!) for drier conditions and unexpected rain of short duration.
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Patagonia R4 Fleece Jacket - Men's
February 15, 2010
I wouldn't wear *either* under a waterproof/windproof shell. Both R4s are windproof which means they restrict breathability - that's just the nature of the beast. You're going to get very clammy if you layer up with multiple windproof layers.
For a mid-layer go with something super breathable and not at all wind proof. If you like Patagucci, check out the R2 for a form fitting *amazing* mid-layer fleece, or if you're looking for something warmer consider an R1 pullover with R3 jacket, and then the hard shell on the outside.
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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's
September 8, 2009
I agree with Babak's answer. Try upgrading your underwear first. Don't wear the R1 or R2 as your base-layer and go for thicker outer layers, first try the Capilene 3 or 4 (or wool equivalents if you can afford it). I go snowshoeing in Capiline 4 + R2 + shell and I'll take the shell off if i'm too hot and it's not windy.
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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's
September 8, 2009
Too late for you, I know, but the medium will fit perfectly. This jacket is a layering piece that is designed to go *under* other layers (thicker insulation and/or shell) and it should only go over a baselayer.
It's supposed to be form-fitting to perform its function: keeping you warm, keeping you dry.
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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's
September 8, 2009
The Rainshadow would work well with this. While hiking/backpacking you'll be fine with just a T-shirt and the R2 if you need it. However, if you feel like you might be spending some time hanging out waiting for trains, or hitchhiking, then consider a vest to add to your system. When it's chilly and you're not active, you'll probably want something in addition to keep you warm. A vest will pack down nicely and give you the most warmth per ounce/size as it will keep your core warm. Don't bother with a wind-proof vest - just use your shell as your windproof protection, and something to add 5-10F in warmth even when not active.
Check out the Patagonia down sweater vest or the Micropuff vest. For your purposes I recommend the micropuff as it will likely fit better under your rainshadow, and because it'll stay warm even if wet. Wet down is not something you want to drag around with you. Also consider a wool baselayer because it really does resist the inevitable smell.
With a baselayer, R2, vest, shell, you can pick and choose which piece(s) to wear for the conditions, and ultimately end up wearing all of them when it's really getting cold. That's the way to keep your pack size down.
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Patagonia R4 Fleece Jacket - Men's
February 17, 2009
there's nothing wrong w/ the Denali, but the Lightweight R4 is a much nicer jacket. It's got a full windproof membrane that stretches and moves with you, while the Denali just was wind resistant panels on the exterior. the reviews speak for themselves below as to how much myself and everyone loves this jacket.Not sure how it compares to the Denali, but the R4 (topped with a hard shell) kept me warm today with wind chill numbers as low as -20F.R4 kills the Denali...it is far warmer and wind resistant!! The Polartec material is so warm given its weight to warmth ratio, if there is such a thing, I cant believe how light and soft it is...range of motion is excellent and very comfortable. This is a very nice jacket but is a little to girlie for me (totally kills it for me)...too soft and fluffy...if it wasnt it would be easily one I would wear!!!I have worn both in active situations and the biggest difference for me is bulk. The Denali is impossible to pack and hard to layer. Not to mention the fact that the R4 is completely windproof. In short, the denali does not even compare.Added by nwbackpacker: I have both. I use my NF Denali for keeping warm in the house when it's cold out and I don't want to burn as much fossil fuel. I use the R4 for going outside and doing actual activity in. The Denali is stupidly bulky and not windproof, so it's as as bulky as the bulkiest outer layer but not at all appropriate for that task, and as a mid-layer it's way too bulky. The R4 has room to layer, but not quite as much as the Denali, but still *plenty* and it's windproof so you'll actually be able to wear it out in the snow and wind without catching a cold.
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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's
February 17, 2009
Well this is $75 less and lighter. The R4 is 300 weight fleece while the R2 is 200 weight but lacks the chest pocket of the R4. The R2 will be stretchier but the R4 will block wind better (thanks to the Polartec). It depends on what you want to use the jackets for. If you want a midlayer, the R2 is probably better, but if you were hoping for a heavier duty outer fleece, the R4 is your best bet.Update: The questioner is asking about the "Lightweight R4" which is a windproof version of the R2, as far as I can tell, and I have both. The cut is slim, like the R2, and the material is light too, like the R2. So really it's the windproof aspect that's the main difference and this makes a *massive* difference if you're out in the snow or where there's a chilly breeze.It's difficult to say which one you should get as you don't lay out what you want it for, but here is my advice:-R2 - great mid layer, or outer layer in benign weather for high activity. If you're hiking up a hill in spring or fall and it's not raining, this is the fleece I would wear. The Lightweight R4 will quickly get sweaty and you'll be busy venting it the whole time. The Lightweigh R4 is also less packable as the windproof laminate prevents it from squishing together as well as the R2.-Lightweight R4 - walking around your neighborhood in spring or fall and it's a bit windy. OR, you're out snowshoeing in 25F+ weather. Combine this lightweight R4 with an R1 pullover underneath + R2 T-shirt and you'll be toasty but have venting options. Take a down jacket to slip over it when you stop for lunch. The slim cut gives great mobility, and I'm also led to believe it's waterproof due to the windproof laminate, but that's a backup plan, as if this thing gets wet, it gets WET and soggy, and therefore colder.
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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's
February 17, 2009
It is a warm layer. If you are considering a down and you don't want to look like a puff, I would recommend the Patagonia Down Sweater. It is about as thick as this fleece and much warmer. http://www.backcountry.com/store/PAT0359/Patagonia-Down-Swea
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