I just passed my teacher certification exams, so I treated myself to a full-priced item. Lately, I have not been so stoked on Patagucci, so I thought I'd give Marmot a try. The Sarchasm pants look sweet online, and are pretty comfy, but I have some complaints. First, there is no change pocket, which I kind of like to have for keys, change, etc. Second, the beltloops are so close to the top of the waistband that the pants tend to slip down below the belt, which gives you that beltbuckle above the button look, which I don't like. Third, whe you sit, the pockets flare out and the lining of the pockets, which is khaki and has the Marmot logo, becomes visible, which I don't like either. All in all, I am not too impressed and a bit bummed that I dropped 70 bones on these pants. Shoulda stuck with Patagucci!