OK, I live in Maine and I'm hard on gloves, between the snow shovel, the ski pole, and everything else, I really need a glove that is durable. I bought these in the hope that they would last several seasons and be decently warm. First the positives, they have lasted, I love the work glove look, the fit and dexterity. However, these things pack out with in a couple of months. The insulation on the palm side of the hand which is supposed to be 300 weight fleece was, within a few months, the thickness of a old flannel shirt. Needless to say they became my warm weather gloves only. However, they are really not the best warm weather gloves because without constant attention to the leather, i.e. waterproofing, if you work in the snow at all they will soak up enough water to fill your nalgene. With a really thick coat of water proofing paste (the sprays wont cut it) you can keep these from soaking up the snow but then they take on a stickiness and smell that I would rather avoid. I love cloudveil products usually but this one is not up to par.