Great gloves, I ski resort, sidecountry or backcountry about 3 days / week. These are too warm for most Utah days and too warm for hiking in unless it's fridgid out. But they are build for cold days and they are very warm and as water, wind, snow proof as ski gloves get. I wear XL's in Marmot, TNF and Hestras but had to send the XL's back for large. They tend to be bulky and lose a star for dexterity especially if they are at all on the big side. Dexterity and bulk were much better with the large. The wool liners do pack out if you buy them snug at first, so buy snug as long as the fingers are long enough.