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Alpine starts can be daunting, but when you’re breaking camp on summit day, you can always take a little bit of your warm sleeping bag with you if you have Patagonia’s ultralight Down Sweater Jacket in your pack. Layer a weatherproof shell over the Sweater when the snow rolls in, and then wear this jacket on its own when you’re back, safe and sound, in your hometown.
Ultralight, windproof and water-resistant polyester shell has high-tear strength and resists abrasion
DWR finish resists rain, grapple, snow, and coffee spills with equal gusto
Quilted construction keeps insulation firmly in place to help maintain warmth
Lock out even more cold and wind with the dual-adjust drawcord hem
Stuffs into its own zippered stretch-mesh pocket to help save space
It took awhile to find an insulating jacket that fit my needs. Marmot Cauldron, too loose. Patagonia UL Down, warm but funky translucent didn't lend itself to work wear. Arcteryx Atom LT, not as warm as expected. Then I found this gem and love it. Fit is consistent with other Patagonia jackets. It's warm, light, and doesn't sacrifice duarability. All a great jacket that I look forward to having for many more years.
I was specifically looking for a down sweater to use underneath my hardshell when skiing. For what its worth, I ski in the mid-Atlantic area where the runs tend to be short, and one of the lifts that I use regularly is very slow and lately has been exposed to very strong winds. This adds up to not a whole lot of body warmth being generated before I am sitting on the lift again. I am 5'10 and weigh 165 pounds. I was specifically looking for something that fit well and provided a good compromise between minimal bulk and maximum warmth. Over the past few years I seem to be colder on the slopes then most of my friends that I ski with, although I am still much warmer in general than my wife.
I narrowed my choices down to the Patagonia Down Sweater and the Marmot Zeus because of the overall high reviews that both have receive, the excellent reputation that both manufacturers have and the lifetime warranty offered by both Patagonia and Marmot. I ordered both items in a size medium so that I could do a side-by-side comparison. The Marmot Zeus is definitely the warmer of these two garments. It clearly has more loft (my wife said I had the Michelin Man look going), and the neck comes up a little higher than the Patagonia Down Sweater. The Patagonia sweater is more form fitting all around, and the sleeves, neck and overall length of the sweater are all shorter than the Marmot Zeus. In fact, my sleeve length is 32/33 in dress shirts and the sleeves on the Marmot Zeus were actually a little long for me. I weighed both jackets, and on my scale the Zeus weighed 438 grams (with tags) and the Patagonia Down Sweater weighed 355 grams (with tags). Both jackets appear to be very well made, and I was impressed with the overall quality of both.. One definite bonus for the Marmot Zeus is the addition of an internal pocket that can be used to keep small food items warm when outside. The Patagonia jacket only has the internal pocket that is intended to be used for stuffing the jacket.
For my purposes, I chose the Patagonia Down Sweater. The main factors that finally drove my decision: 1) less bulk in the arms – I could barely tell that I had this jacket on when wearing a shell, while I felt some restriction in movement when wearing the Zeus under my shell; some of the bulk in the arms is inevitably due to the longer length of the sleeves on the Marmot Zeus; 2) lower neck – the higher neck on the Zeus combined with the tight neck on my shell made the Zeus feel less comfortable.
Despite my choice to go with the Patagonia Down Sweater, the Marmot Zeus is, at MSRP, is a great value, particularly when compared to similar offerings from the North Face and Mountain Hardwear. Honestly, if it weren’t for the fact that I was able to get the Patagonia Down Sweater for the same price as the Marmot Zeus, I probably would have gone with the Marmot Zeus. This would be particularly true if I were not so focused on using this jacket as a mid-layer.
J, Great review! I've been going back and forth between the Marmot and Patagonia. I'm leaning towards the Patagonia but it sounds like I can't go wrong either way. Thanks, Dan
It's actually just the interior color, the two are from different seasons. Red Delicious itself has a red interior, and the Red Delicious with Forge Grey has the Forge Grey interior.
Have not had chance to use it in the raw cold yet, but I am pretty critical of quality and construction. Initial opinion out of the box: Very impressed with the construction, loft of down, comfort, and feel of garment. All these assessments still stand weeks later. It is a functional and beautiful piece of gear to look at and wear. No buyers remorse here. Um and backcountry had it at my door in 4 days.
I've browsed through the questions about the fit and didn't
I've browsed through the questions about the fit and didn't see anybody in my size range...I'm 6'4" and weigh 190lbs. In typical clothes I have to purchase XL's for the length but they are HUGE around the body. Is there anyone out there who has some advice on whether to go with an XL, L, or a different jacket with a more slim fit?
I think Large might do it for you if other XL's have been huge in the body for you. Another jacket from Patagonia to consider that is a slightly slimmer fit would be the Patagonia Ultralight Down Jacket. I think XL there would be right on the money for you.
You're about my dads size and he wears a L in Patagonia regular fit. It maybe a little short, but this jacket works great as insulation under a shell so you wouldn't want it sticking out.
This is one of my favorite jackets...Light, warm, and a good looker (have last year's in burnt orange). Love that it compresses into it's own pouch as well. Works great as an outerlayer and if you need a shell, works great and doesn't feel bulky underneath. I'm 5' 10" and thin, the medium fits lwell (as does most Patagonia mediums). I also like that the collar is relatively snug , but not too tight around the neck to keep out the cold and falling snow when fully zipped
Dianne, I can definitely make a quick one for you and upload it in the next few days. Are you stuffing it into the inner chest mesh pocket with the 2 sided zipper? Basically that pocket gets turned inside out and stretches out as you pack the jacket in there...
For a "sweater", it's as puffy as a down coat and makes me look a bit like the Michelin man, but it's perfect for cold days around town or as a layer in cold, windy conditions on a mountain. I'm not sure about the water resistance. I've only had mine for two seasons, and any rain that falls seems to go right into the fabric.
It packs down incredibly small and is very light weight for the amount of warmth it provides.
I wore it in 20 degrees, 40 mph winds on Washington with just a Marmot Precip shell and it was perfectly warm.
Here are the Spring 2011 colors, including a view of the Nano Puffs and Down Sweaters. The biggest surprise for me was how nice the Ultramarine was; I really liked that and would consider it for a Down Sweater or Nano Puff, too bad it's not available as a Nano Puff Hoody...
So what are the casualties from the the nano-asbestos equilibrium? Nothing yet I'm sure. Still, do not wanna wear something called nano puff. Sounds scary deadly.
When the temperature is dropping faster than the Dow Jones on your fall outing I pull on the down sweater. I wear this under a goretex shell. The insulation of the 700 fill down is incrediable. It feels too light when you first put it on at the beginning of the season. I get that "Oh No, I haven't brought enough warm clothes for this trip out" feeling. But within minutes I toasty warm and finding myself thankful for geese. I'm 6'4" 200 lbs and wear an XL. It's definately puffy fit. The whole thing stuffs into a built in pocket about the size of a large grapefruit. The sweater doesn't seem to lose feathers as much as other down jackets I have owned. For colder weather get something 'PUFFY-ER" (I just made up that word.)
I've carried a Patagonia sweater jacket on all of my AT thru-hikes. It is incredibly light and pack down to almost nothing, but I really appreciate it's warmth on cold nights..!
I'm 6'1" and 185-190 with really big arms and shoulders,
I'm 6'1" and 185-190 with really big arms and shoulders, L or XL? I want to have free movement but not be swimming. (plus the red is only available in XL now and I want that color!)
John, My best guess is that large will do it for you just fine. I'm 6' 170 and I can wear either a medium or a large, and the large gives me a little extra room.
I've really enjoyed this piece so far. I wouldn't wear it as outerwear if it was going to snow or rain, but its a great layer under a shell on really cold days. I wear it around town in Tahoe and love it for that. Super soft and comfy. I've found that most patagonia jackets run large. I normally wear a L jacket from others (Arcteryx, Marmot), but the M sweater fits me perfectly, expecially for layering. Same with a Patagucci softshell I just got. I'm 5'10" and 175-180.
Update: I've not had this jacket/sweater for a complete season. I was thinking about it because I just washed it for the first time. It had developed a bit of 'ring around the collar' but came clean easily and puffed right back up with a shoe in the dryer. Now I can put it away until the fall.
This is the most amazing jacket I have ever owned. For the weight, it is the warmest thing in the world. Warmer than the sun! Maybe not that warm, but you get the idea.
I also have the Mountain Hardwear Compressor jacket, which is Primaloft, and this jacket is much warmer and quite a bit lighter. It also compresses more. Just don't buy it and wear it in the rain like all those idiots I see in downtown Seattle wearing their The North Face down jackets, OK?
I am about 5'8"-5'9" 130 lbs, and the small was way to snug. Just around the waist though. And I am a very scrawny guy. Anyone else the same size as me let me know what size you have, M or S!
Just picked up a small to replace a large that was too big for me at the Patagonia store. Tried on the medium and it still had a bit of extra fabric in the back, but length was ok... I'm 5' 11" 165 and the small fits fine, only complaint is that it could be about a 1/2" longer. but is about the same as a tshirt
This jacket quickly became my go-to. Warm, light weight, packable...everything you need, nothing you don't. Perfect three season piece for almost anything. 800 fill is great but you will still shed a mini tear each time you lose a feather.
I've tried the Patagonia Down Sweater, Mountain Hardwear Nitrous Jacket, Marmot Zeus Down Jacket, the Cloudveil Endless Down Jacket, and the Outdoor Research Transcendent Down Jacket. For what its worth, Patagonia was the 2nd most expensive (only MH was more). I didn't care about price - I wanted the best fitting, jacket that was warm and wouldn't make me look like a marshmellow (I've had a NF Nuptse jacket for over 10 years).
In terms of bulk, Patagonia and MH are the least bulky of the bunch and comparable to each other. Marmot and OR are in the middle, and Cloudveil is the puffiest. They all seem pretty warm to me - but I only field-tested the Patagonia Down Sweater. It works as advertised - light, not bulky, and quite warm. I wish the neck was a little higher (up to the chin), but its not a significant issue.
The bigger issue is the fit. I'm 6'3" about 165 lbs. First off, if your build is similar to mine, get the Medium in all of the above jackets. MH has the best fit for thinner people. Patagonia is one of the boxiest - in the end, this was by biggest complaint. Though it fit fine under a shell or other jacket as a layer, I just didn't like the extra material at my sides or chest. While wearning the jacket, I could grab more than a fistful of jacket with each hand. By comparison, the Patagonia Down Sweater Vest has a Slim Fit - which fit me perfectly. If Patagonia ever comes out with a Slim Fit version of the Down Sweater, I would definitely buy it.
In the end, I returned the Down Sweater. Even though its a great jacket, it didn't fit right for me.
This is the jacket I choose most often during our Montana winters. I use it by itself for around town or worn under a breathable shell for low intensity activity on bitter days it's just fine. It's too warm under a shell for higher intensity exercise. I take it on all my backcountry skiing day trips to wear during lunch stops or while "cooling down" after a long climb to a ridge. The reviewer who claimed this isn't any warmer than a layer of heavyweight capilene must have been wearing it while it was soaking wet.
Hi gurus! I'm 5'9'' and 190 pound 42 chest 36 waist.What size should i get? I'm planning on getting this one after having the EB,EB doesn't use a draw cord on the hem and that is not good if your trying to seal it tight,heavy drafts are not good at all....
You could probably fit in a medium, but it sounds like you are right on the fence for a large. Patagonia mediums fit me, but I am also right on the cusp. I'm 6', 40-41 chest, 180 lbs and 34 waist. With sizes so close, I try to go to a store to physically try which ones work better to avoid frustrations. To be safe if you're ordering online, I'd go with a large.
As so many other have testified, this jacket is super light, super packable and super warm (in relation to the weight and volume).Starts feeling warm in seconds after putting it on top of base layers. Haven't yet found the need to put on any shell on top of down sweater. Also wind and water proof way above my expectations.
I had my down sweater for 4 years. I just passed it on to my 14 yr. old son, who wears it proudly and keeps telling me how warm, soft and light it is. I wore that thing on his Boy Scout winter camping weekends and it made things so much more bearable. The other Dads used to see me standing around in frigid temps looking warm and comfortable and ask why I wasn't shivering. I would wear a tee shirt or ligt long sleeve cotton shirt underneath and still felt warm. It's light enough to carry in a pack and break out whenever you need to take the chill off. I own every kind of cold weather gear, some of which has cost me an arm and a leg, but I found myself wearing my down sweater all the time. I leave it in my car and probably use it 8 months out of the year. This thing is a no-brainer. It's the best! The guy who said that it's no warmer than capilene never wore this sweater.
I wonder if anyone here has tried both the Down Sweater and Patagonia's
I wonder if anyone here has tried both the Down Sweater and Patagonia's Hi-Loft Down Sweater. Which one fits better. Is the Hi-Loft a lot puffier than the regular down sweater? It seems that the Hi-Loft would be a better buy since in costs $30 more but you get 50% more down. Thanks.
Great question, definitely one that comes down to personal preference. The fit of the Hi Loft Down Sweater is slightly longer in the body than the regular Down Sweater, giving it more coverage. The Hi Loft is definitely warmer, and a great value if you're purely concerned about warmth. One of the strengths of the regular Down Sweater is it's comfort and versatility since it is so lightweight, but still very warm. It's great to layer underneath a shell for super chilly days, and great on it's own in a wide range of temps and settings. Hope that helps a bit, good luck!
The Down Sweater is an ultra classic down piece, hands down. The 800 fill allows for a great warmth to weight ratio. I picked up a down sweater for these exact reasons. But I ended up selling the jacket because of the fit. Mind you I'm rather skinny, 6'0, 135 I purchased a small. It fit great in the arms and had great waist length, but the body of the jacket... it fit like box. You would have to have a keg for a stomach to fill this jacket up. The fit is much too relaxed for an expedition fit. A beautiful jacket, but it's not made for those of us who don't have a square body.
Agreed on the fit - but works perfectly as a down layer over a fleece as a 3-piece system for super cold hikes (fleece + down + shell). 'Suppose just comes down to what you want it for - there are definitely better "athletic" fit down jackets, but I'm not sure that's what Patagonia was going for here
Agreed on the boxy fit. I am 5' 10, 165lbs and the M size was nice in the shoulders but too much room around the waist. Size S had a nice slim fit, but to narrow around the shoulders.
great fit. 6' 180 wear a medium. i work outside so a lot of times i wear it under sweatshirts to i dont get caught on thorns and such. incredibly warm. VERY WARM! in 30 degree weather i wear a tee shirt under it and im toasty
Sizing??? From what I've read, this sweater tends to be on
Sizing??? From what I've read, this sweater tends to be on the larger end of the spectrum with some comments about it being boxy. With respect to the chart I should wear an XL. I'm 6'1'', 210lbs, 38" waist. I plan to wear it over a t-shirt and a Gortex outer shell. I would have gone for the large but the 34"-36" waist for the L size suggests that it would be too small. Please advise. Thanks.
i wouldnt worry about the waist size too much on the jacket. go with what will fit your shoulders. if you read the label on the sizing chart, you will notice that that sizing chart is for patagonia outerwear tops and bottoms...it is not specific to this jacket.
go with the large and return/exchange it if it doesnt fit. backcountry.com has great return policies. i have done just that a couple times before...its painless.
This sweater is warm and very light. The "regular" fit is fairly boxy, so if you like the more fitted look this won't work for you. For that same reason, it doesn't work too well as a layer under a shell if your shell is fitted. The fabric seems more durable than what I've seen in other down sweaters. Seems less likely to tear if snagged.
This is a great piece to wear on those bitterly cold days underneath a shell for added warmth. its nice as a standalone around town as well. adds so much warmth for such a compact size. I think thats my favorite thing about this- it adds a ton of warmth, but doesnt add bulk when you are wearing it, or if you throw it into your pack.
Ashley, Quite a bit different actually - the women's Down Sweater is a completely different design, the biggest difference is that the body has more shape.
Simply put: I won't go out into the backcountry without the Patagonia Down Sweater. It is amazingly warm, incredibly light, and packs down to nothing. If the weather is questionable at all, I throw it in the pack and feel completely equipped for wind, snow, and even light rain (thanks to the DWR). I don't know how I ever did without this essential layer from Patagonia. My only gripe: I am 6'5" (and hence have a freaky long torso), and have a size large, which fits well, except for the torso length. I wish they had a tall version.
Picked this up and since then it has been my go to jacket when things get a little cooler. Works great over a few lighter under-layers or whatever you have on underneath. Also works an insulating layer under a shell when you need a little extra warmth. Packs down ridiculously small and stuffs down into its inner pocket. Wear it anywhere and it works and gets attention. Highly recommended and one of my favorite pieces.
Very light, packs well, and the insulation is sufficient for most endeavors. The cuffs have stretched out and frayed rather quickly and I prefer waist cinches on both sides to minimize the amount of elastic cord hanging at belt level.
I need a light weight, casual jacket to wear around town. Will
I need a light weight, casual jacket to wear around town. Will Patagonia's down sweater be too warm for use as an outer layer over a T-shirt in 50-60+ degree temperatures?
Depends on if around town includes going bar hopping, if yes then yes! Stuff the jacket in it's own pocket,(not sure where you'll find room for that package), go inside and boogie down man. Dude. Thing...
You'll definitely be fine around 50 degrees, might be a little warm as it gets closer to 60. One of the best things about the Down Sweater is for sure how versatile it is and the wide range of temps it keeps you comfortable.
I own the hooded version of this and it is an awesome jacket. Warm, comfortable, and packable.
It really depends on how warm you like to be. I do not think it would be too warm. I think it's sweet spot is more 35-55 degree zone with a tshirt. I believe the Patagonia Nano Puff would be a little less warm as it is not filled with down, or there is the down sweater vest as well.
This jacket is everything it claims it is: warm, light, packable. The waist has a cinch cord, and there is a zipper flap to keep wind out there, but no adjustable cuffs, just an elastic closure. It looks puffier in the pics than it actually is, keeps a low profile. For anyone out there wondering about the "fill power" of down, the higher the number the better quality it is, meaning it takes less ounces of down to get the same warmth rating. 800-fill is at the top.
John, The Down Sweater is very warm for how light it is, but at -20 (Fahrenheit I'm assuming) I would want a warm base layer underneath, and a shell over the top. Patagonia's Fitz Roy Down Hoody is the warmest jacket from Patagonia and would keep you much warmer on it's own if that's what you're looking for. hope that helps.
I was looking for a piece to use as an insulating layer under a shell on really cold ski days in the Tahoe area. Our weather rarely goes below 15 F, so a full-on down or synthetic parka is too much for me. I am 6'4" and 210 pounds, so I originally chose the XXL size. This size usually works with me for most outdoor gear. WOW,the XXL was like a tent! I returned it for an XL and found that the arms were a little shorter, but still reasonable for under a shell. The problem was that the body area was still too full and puckered up under my shell. I think that the Nano Jacket fits a little tighter, but I went with a Mountain Hardware Nitrous Down Jacket, as it fit me perfectly in XL and felt great under the hard shell.
Looking to buy this jacket for fall camping/hiking, AND as a
Looking to buy this jacket for fall camping/hiking, AND as a midlayer underneath a shell for skiing in Minnesota. Would the moisture/wet factor with down really be an issue? I dont' plan on wearing it out hiking or camping in the rain but maybe in the snow when clearing the driveway. Thanks
As far as down jackets go this is by far my favorite. It is superlight and the most comfortable piece of clothing I think I own.
That said you have mentioned the one area that this jacket doesn't excel at: being wet. Now if you are just skiing downhill and you have layered properly and can vent it should be fine but if you are doing anything like xc skiing or snowshoeing or even hiking this jacket will get damp/wet from your body and move towards being worthless for insulation. This is especially true with a pack. It is impossible to keep your back from sweating when you are hiking with a pack.
For working out in the snow I haven't had a problem unless I overwork and get hot and then the jacket is damp from me.
Best jacket I have owned, and I hate to compromise but for all around use a synthetic is probably better.
Eri, Good question, I'm sure there will be some additional responses. If you're really concerned about the moisture, a synthetic fill jacket like the Patagonia Nano Puff would do the trick for you. Personally I think the Down Sweater here will work perfectly for you. Down isn't ideal if it gets really wet, but the Down Sweater does fine in the snow on it's own, or as a mid layer even if you work up a pretty good sweat while hiking. Hope that helps!
Snowshoeing on lower Mt Rainier this weekend - perfect under layer and when the clouds parted, an outer layer. Looking forward to getting a lot of use out of it.
Do need to figure out how to clean it... Sweated it up pretty good and was not digging the "fresh from the factory" stink.
I already have a Nano Puff pullover and I'm looking for another
I already have a Nano Puff pullover and I'm looking for another warmer layer for really cold conditions. Is the down sweater considerably warmer than the nano puff? I am thinking of layering them as an alternative to the very warm, but heavy, North Face down jacket I have been using in Winter.
This is my first down jacket, and I could not be happier. It is super light, packs down to the size of a nalgene, fits perfectly under a shell for when it's dumping, and of course, super toasty. Even when it is -10 F with a stiff breeze, all i need to wear under this jacket is a tshirt. It really is that warm. As for durability, I take care of all my gear the best i can, and thankfully have not ripped it yet. The fabric isn't very thick, but what do you expect from such a light jacket? The loft of the down has started to break down from repeated packings, but shaking it seems to restore most of the original loft. Even still, it is soooooo toasty.
I've only had it for two weeks but already been in 14 deg F temps with no problems. Relatively wind proof and EXTREMELY light and packs down to nothing. Nothing even to nikpik on this one.
The SV will definitely be warmer than the Down Sweater. The SV is fitted with 100 grams of synthetic insulation. I love both jackets, but the SV is definitely warmer. Maybe you can just get both and be extra warm :) Or you could go with the Fitz Roy Down Hoody! Oh yeah, there is also a new jacket out from Patagonia for Fall '11 called the High-Loft Down Sweater!
Sorry Yang, but Dean - failed you in his answer. Its true that the biggest difference between the two is the Patagaonia is down and the Arcteryx is synthetic. However, the DOWN will breath better much better and does a better job over a wider ranger of temperatures. Also, 800-fill DOWN will compress better than any synthetic on the market today (shell material and quantity of insulation being equal). Additionally - DOWN will last longer than synthetic insulation if you take care of it (don't store it in a stuff sack, wash it once in a while, etc). If what he said was true - nobody would use down because its more expensive.
He is correct in regards to synthetic insulation being a better insulator when wet, and the fitting of the Atom SV, Atom LT, and this down sweater.
More info on down (and yes, I know its about sleeping bags, but the properties are the same in garments as in bags): http://www.backcountry.com/store/dc/619/Backcountry-Sleeping-Bag-Buyers-Guide.html
HI, this one is down and the Arcteryx is synthetic, so the synthetic is probably going to breath better and if it ever gets wet, it will still keep you warm. As a stand alone jacket, the Patagoinia is probably a little warmer, but won't layer as nicely under something as the Arcteryx will. They are both going to compress equally, but the synthetic insulation of the Arcteryx will probably loft better after prolonged compression... not sure what you are looking to use the jacket for, but if you are looking for a great layering piece, I recommend the Arcteryx Atom LT jacket/hoody... it is the same as the Atom SV except that there is a kind of stretchy fleece material that runs under the arms from about the elbow down to the waist on the side of the body, it works awesome for temperature regulating when layered! I am 6'1" 210lbs and the XL is athletic fit for me (Atom LT hooded).
Great fitting and performing jacket, not too puffy. Use it under your hardshell on cold days. Packs down small. I keep it in the back of my truck to beat the chill during post ski/bike beer. Montbell makes a good one too, but I'd go with Patagonia for their renowned customer service.
Love this jacket. Warmth without weight. I've used it around town and I've used it at base camp. It fits beautifully (athletic build, 6 feet and 170 lbs./12 stone, & I have the medium). It has enough room to allow me to layer, but is not baggy if just over a t-shirt. I tried the small; it is snug.
The outer fabric is sheer. "Downproof", like any other down sweater fabric, but it won't hold up against abrasions or heat. So, don't go bouldering or playing near the camp fire while wearing it.
I've tried other down sweaters and jackets and I simply prefer the design of this one best. The collar isn't too tall. The fit isn't blocky or bulky. It packs down into its own pocket. It is really well thought out.
As others here have mentioned, it's a great jacket. Plus, it comes with the Patagonia Ironclad guarantee - the only guarantee that rivals Backcountry's.
My wife and I are Northface buffs, but tried the Patagonia, and we love it. It is so thin, and ridiculously light, yet is very warm. Not bulky at all. You can wear this under a shell, or even a down jacket, and won't feel like your arms are being squeezed to death. The shell is a bit on the thin side, so I get a little worried about tearing it...
Less bulky than the Northface Redpoint. A great addition for those looking for an all-season jacket.
I've seen a lot of this on Backcountry lately--an ad gives a price (OK, maybe "starting at") but in reality that price only applies to a small portion of the selection--like the Teal XXL at $130 and the other 30 size/color options at $200. I think this is deceitful and, for me, erodes my trust in Backcountry.com.
I could buy a nice comforter for my bed, with a lot more effort, statistically, and percentage -wise, the jacket is very trendy, but really? Between 50- 75.
This jacket is warm and very light. I use it under a shell to ski in the Buffalo NY area because you can never really tell what the weather will do here.
What else is there to say, Patagonia is the shizznizzle. Down sweater warm and packs down nicely Why are you still reading reviews, buy one now! You wont be disappointed
Since this is my first down jacket ever! I have a question about
Since this is my first down jacket ever! I have a question about storing it away for non-winter months. Is it okay to compress it in its own sack and store is for 5-6 months? Does doing that ruin the feathers inside? scrunch the feathers?
Closet space is something I don't have much of...so, I keep all of my down jackets and hats stored inside a large Rubbermaid tote uncompressed.I keep my down bags stored loosely inside the cotton storage sacks.
Of course hanging is the answer. Have MANY down jackets that are hung in the closet with care like a Christmas stocking. I keep all down hanging and sleeping bags as loosely stuffed into their oversized bags as possible.
I would never consider storing any down product compressed. Down gets a lot of warmth from loft and this will be compromised by storing compressed for long periods. Precisely why many quality sleeping bags come with 2 bags. One for compressing while out and another to store loosely at home.
I would not store it for long periods in its stuff sack; it can damage the feathers. You should just store it as you would a normal jacket - on a hanger in the closet. No real need to treat it differently. The stuff sack is primarily for packing it small for short periods of time in a backpack for backcountry use or while travelling.
I've always worn gear with synthetic material as lining -- hey, if we can land a man on the moon, we can certainly manufacture better stuff than what nature provides, right? -- but I have been truly impressed with this down jacket. Its combination of lightness with warmth is better than anything else like it I own.
Kept me warm through a wide range of temperatures while trekking in Nepal recently. On the extra cold nights, it was completely comfortable to sleep in - the lack of bulk is a definite plus. Very highly recommended!
I bought the medium for my boyfriend who is 5'10.5 and 160.
I bought the medium for my boyfriend who is 5'10.5 and 160. It looks huge! I can usually wear a lot of his shirts and sweaters comfortably. (I'm 5'8.5 and 135). I know he would really want to wear it as a sweater and not a jacket. Should I return it for a small or x-small??
Cami-Sue, I'm 5'6" and about 160, athletic build. The medium fits me well, just a tad long in the sleeves. I think the med will fit boyfriend but could be a bit short at the waist.
don't get xs unless you want it for yourself. also, S would be really tight for your bf. i say you stay with M.
i'm 5'9 and weigh 180. but just u know, i have a pretty small waist. i wear 30(waist)x32(inseam) pants.
for me, M would've been fine. so would have L. I wish patagonia would make an extra-medium or something. i ended up getting an L because M was really form fitting for the shoulders and the chest with a bit of the room around the body, and perfect length of the coat (it was form fitting). L was much more comfy, roomier everywhere.
either way, if your bf is 5'10.5" and 160, i think M would be a perfect fit for him.
I'm 5' 10.5 and weigh 170 w/ somewhat broad shoulders. If the arms were longer I would have gone with a small but had to go w/ a medium for sleeve length. If I had been able to try on the MH Nitrous I may have gotten that b/c of it's athletic fit. This is a great jacket but really way too much material in the chest to be used as a midlayer IMO. I may look at the possibilities of getting 3 inches on each side of the zipper removed.
Hi Cami-Sue, Definitely not XS! I think medium should fit him well actually. If he really wants a trim fit then the small, but from his measurements I'd definitely recommend medium. Hope this helps!
I originally got this to use as an outer layer when backcountry skiing. It packs up small and light for the skin up, then throw it on over your softshell jacket when you stop for lunch or something and keep nice and toasty warm. It's great for that.
Then we got a cold spell down in Seattle so I started wearing it around town and to work. Works great for that too. Now I wear it all the time. It's also great on airplane trips since it is light & small, keeps you plenty warm, and doubles as a pillow or blanket. Basically now I wear this jacket all the time from Nov. to April.
It has developed a small hole where some of the down started poking out. But the nice thing about the black color is it is exactly the color of electrical tape, so a tiny patch of that fixed it right up and is not noticable at all.
I am 6', 195 lbs, wide shoulders, long arms & the Large fits perfectly.
My budget is tight and found the F09(2009) version of this jacket
My budget is tight and found the F09(2009) version of this jacket for around 100 bucks. Is there a big difference from the new F10(2010) version?? Thanks!
I thought I had heard somewhere that there weren't any big changes between last years and this year except the new colors. I'm fairly certain I'd heard that but again I'm not 100% certain. I will say thought that I have last years and a buddy of mine has this years and I didn't notice any differences between the 2. I'd also say that I am more than happy with the performance and durability of last years model so you would be perfectly fine going with last years version.
This is a classic piece. Just the right amount of down to keep it nice and toasty, but light enough to wear through the beginning of fall/spring. (I use it on most days except the coldest of winter). The DWR coating fights off moisture, and the polyester rip-stop keeps the wind at bay. Once you go down, you don't go back, its just a more 'cozy' warmth than similar synthetic insulated pieces. The one thing that does bug me a bit about the jacket (if i had to nit-pick) is the fit. It is just a little on the 'boxy' side for me. I'm not a small guy, I'm 5'10, 190lbs and the Large fits wide in the chest area (the jacket length, arm length, all that fits great) I'm a large in mostly every article of clothing, but this jacket just seems to fit on the wider side. I would suggest sizing down to achieve a more snug fit. The jacket will be warmer when snug, and will function as a great layering piece for those really cold days. Overall, really great, classy, lightweight 'shoulder season' jacket.
I've worn this with the Patagonia Powder Bowl and they fit together fairly well. I'd definitely recommend going with the Powder Bowl too. It's a great jacket.
The Patagonia Down Sweater Jacket is the best. Everyone in my family has one! Works on its own out on the town or is a perfect layering piece. Absolute love and great warmth at only 13oz. Pure love.
I picked up a few of these to give as gifts, and the cut on the 2011 down sweater is unbelievably generous. I am a true medium, 40 inch chest with 32-33 inch waist, and the medium fits like a large. I don't think this class of clothing is designed as an overcoat/belay coat but the cut of the torso sure seems designed so. Patagonia must be trying to move to cater to mainstream obese Americans rather than to the active outdoorsman or climber. It fits like a straight box. If you have some excess flab in the belly, this jacket is for you.
This jacket has about half as much thickness and loft as my Montane Nitro down jacket for only 2 ounces less in weight.
I would not purchase it again. I vastly prefer my Montbell Alpine light (much more loft due to fewer baffles) and a much better fit. Also, the two ounce penalty on my Montane Nitro is more than made up for the vastly improved insulation. (And Montane fits trim people much better)
The Rockwall is more of a dark greyish color rather than black. Also, I think the pictures here are mixed up because if you look at the Patagonia website the Rockwall is definitely more dark grey than black as it appears here.
light and easy to bring along weather you are sure you want it or not. great on climbs, fits in a small stuff sack in a pack, and is very wind resistant. It has served some hard thrashing .
XXL weighed in at 13.6 oz. Fit is spot on for my 50" chest. interior pocket/stuff sack is great. this thing would compress to the size of a grapefruit if need be. not bulky at all. zippers are flawless. Mango color not as intense as pictured.
Hi there! Does it leak down feathers a lot? I was going to buy
Hi there! Does it leak down feathers a lot? I was going to buy an eb first ascent,but i heard they leak down a lot,i figure this might be the same.Thanks!
I went and looked at the Eddie Bauer First Ascent line as well, after it getting a good write-up in a detailed analysis of down jackets, in fact, it came in near the top of a distiguished field. It fit well and looked good on me, but I ultimately went with a synthetic jacket. I have heard the same complaints about down leakage, though, and I could see a little bit of that with the jackets they had for sale.
I've had this for almost a year now and I really haven't noticed any down leaking at all. I've worn it quite a bit, compressed it into it's pocket/stuff sack several times and haven't noticed any leakage. I'd definitely recommend this one.
I have this down sweater and have used it very hard- lotsa pancake syrup on the sleeves ground in with some oil from under the truck- a few snags and pulls on the stitching- still keeping me warm and comfy and no loss of feathers-so I just ordered another one in Deep Space- these jackets wash up great (dry with two tennis balls !!!) and pack like nothing else- treat yourself to one- R
Pros: • Toasty • Water resistant • Orange • SUPER compressible • Makes a decent pillow • Good pocket placement • Stylin' • Light weight
Cons: • Blocky
It's just my personal preference, but I like jackets that are more form fitting, makes them easier to layer, ya know? Aside from the slightly blocky fit, this jacket is awesome and you should buy it.
This jacket is quite similar to the Diez, both are ultralight down sweaters with top of the line 800 fill. You wouldn't go wrong with either
-The Patagonia one is made from a recycled shell, will have a slightly shorter, rounder, cut in the torso, Has a little bit more down, and weighs 3oz more. It also has a built in mesh storage pocket.
-The Diez has an ultralight 10 denier shell, which won't be as durable. It's also designed to be more of a slim, athletic fit.
This is my go to jacket. If you are going to the movie with your lady or your packing light for a multi day hike this is it. I live in the south, Memphis, so i can get by with a t-shirt and this top 99% of the time.
!4 days skiing in this sweater as a midlayer. Very comfy, warm and fits great. I wear this also as a milling around town cover. I have gotten many compliments on the simple styling and luster of mango. Will probably buy another. The weight is ideal for backpacking. I recommend striking on this one if you are on the fence.
Cost Patagonia Down Sweater ($200 retail) Marmot Zeus ($150 retail) mont-bell UL Down Inner ($150 retail)
Fill Weight (Primary Determinant of Warmth – 3oz = ~30F inactive) Patagonia Down Sweater = 3 oz Marmot Zeus = 3.5 oz mont-bell UL Down Inner= 2 oz
Garment Weight and (Fabric Type) - Fabric is the Primary Determinant of Weight and Durability MB UL Inner = 7.3 oz (15 denier ballistic nylon) Patagonia Down Sweater = 12.4 oz (22 denier polyester) Marmot Zeus = 14 oz (22 & 40 denier polyester)
The down filling only accounts for ~30% of a garment’s weight. If two garments have comparable fill, the nylon shelled (ballistic is the strongest but has a decidedly synthetic look and feel) one is always the better UL backpacking choice. Both virgin and recycled polyester fabrics have the same characteristics. Compared to nylon they are much cheaper, heavier, less abrasion resistant, and have less strength.
Hey Mike, Is the warmth & weight similar for both? I'm still trying to decide between them. The Marmot seems like a better value but I like the Patagonia more.
I have this and the Mountain Hardwear Nitrous Hooded Jacket. They're both real nice, but I'm not super big on the fennel color. It's really bright! A couple things this has over the MH Nitrous tho- it makes a much better pillow when crammed into a stuff sack. I attribute this to the wind proofness of the jacket. The Patagonia is also shorter than the nitrous and fits under my rain gear a bit better. Both have draw strings at the waist to cinch the waste in a position about the bottom if the rain jacket, but it is nice not having to cinch much. Also, there's much more room in the shoulders. I Wear an XL in the MH Nitrous and a Large in the Patagonia. This actually works well for me because I can layer them when it gets really, really cold. Both jackets are real warm, lightweight, handsome, etc. But if you go the MH alone you're sacrificing wind proofness, if you go with the Patagonia, you're sacrificing breathability. I say why bother? You can find amazing deals on both right now if you look in the right spots. I got both half off, I figure I can afford to carry around both jackets.
I'm 5'7", 160 lbs and the medium is plenty roomy. Don't go large. I wear it under a Mountain Hardwear Terra Jacket which doesn't look like it has enough room for such a puffy layer underneath, but it feels fine and the combo is super-warm.
I'm 5'9 and 165-170 and I can wear a size medium in this as a mid-layer under a hardshell. It's not particularly tight on me, so I think with a belly you should still be able to wear this in a size medium. If you are wearing a size Large shell, then you could probably buy a large in this too, but if you are using a size medium shell, definitely go with a medium for this jacket.
Without knowing your exact measurements, I would lean towards the medium. The down sweater has their "regular" cut/fit which tends to be a bit more roomy.
Best bet is to go off the sizing chart. Based on height I recommend you a medium. However, your measurements will dictate which size you should go for. A large will definitely give you more layering room.
Winter in Kyushu is damp, cold, and down right brutal; leading one to shop for a warm down jacket. When I first got this coat I was very apprehensive because it is so light and thin. When they say "wind proof" however, they do indeed mean "WIND PROOF." Warmest coat I have bought to date.
I"m 6'2 and 170 lbs. With a 6'4 wing span. Long and skinny. Will this thing fit... I have a feeling the large will be too short, in the body and sleeves, but the extra large to wide, as that seems to happen often. thanks.
I have the hooded version and am 6'3 180 and I actually wear a medium. I would say I'm more legs than torso though - so perhaps that would change things for yourself. That being said, I certainly wouldn't go with the XL, but the L should be fine. If not, Backcountry.com does have an excellent return policy. By the way, IMHO, the Patagonia quality is top notch. I prefer it over mountain hardwear and others. Hope this helps.
This jacket was an excellent buy and I love the fit and warmth it provided. But straight out of the package this jacket reeked of wet dog or fish smell. I laundered it 3 different times with RevivX down cleaner and the smell got less intense but never totally went away. The customer reps told me that was rare for the Patagonia brand so your mileage may vary. Made in China with European down......hmmmm. You decide. Because of the smell, I had to return the jacket. Fortunately, I was able to get a new one from a different site to take it's place.
I also have a Marmot Zeus and I never had a problem with the smell. I just needed something that wasn't as warm as the Zeus, it was just too much for most conditions. The Patagonia down sweater was perfect as far as warmth vs puffy for everyday wear.
Nice & light jacket...very warm! I bought a medium and had to return it for a large. I'm 5'11" 175 and after reading reviews, I thought the medium would fit perfect....not so. I consider myself an "athletic medium" build as well as the other five dudes! Evidently I must be a body builder because right after I put it on ....I thought the back of the jacket was going to rip in two when I went to tie my shoe. Lets just put this way....if you have a "build" or a 41'" chest, go with a large. Skinny dudes go with medium! By the way...large fits great! Thanks, Department of Goods.
Thinking about the Patagonia Down Sweater Jacket or the R4 Jacket
Thinking about the Patagonia Down Sweater Jacket or the R4 Jacket for a mid layer in the backcountry. Which is warmer, how does each handle sweat? Which one will work best underneath a shell.
Specific usage would be skinning up long ascents and snowboarding down. Hard (and sweaty) on the way up and fast and cold on the way down.
+1 on the below response/recommendation. The R4 (or lightweight version) is a good choice. However, depending on conditions, you should also consider the R2 and R3 jackets. They are not windproof, and will breathe better than the R4s will. That's relevant if you are wearing this as a mid-layer piece. Another piece to consider is the Patagonia Nano Puff Pull-Over. It will fall between the R (regulator fleece) jackets and the down layers in warmth, breathability, and utility, but will exceed them (read: outperform them) in weight and compressibility.
For you I think the R4, or even the Patagonia Lightweight R4 would be the right jacket. The Down Sweater is a great jacket and works well for layering on the way down, but for me to be able to wear my Down Sweater on the skin up it's got to be pretty damn cold. The R4's will breathe well, and still have a nice windproof membrane.
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